Data is also in the newest Hornady #9 manual. Not NECESSARILY the ones listed on the PLASTIC JARS' LABEL. Sometimes in today's powder-shortage market it comes down to finding the best that is actually in stock on the shelves of your dealer. HEAVY BULLETS IN THE 223 REMINGTON. I've loaded using all 5 with excellent results throwing from RCBS powder measure. It matters not a bit to the bullet how efficent the powder burn is, all that matters to the bullet the time/pressure curve. Do you guys find any powders better for shorter barrel AR? It seems like a faster burning powder would not only be more efficient but cause less flash? First, because of the relatively small powder volume versus bore size, relatively little performance is lost as barrel length is reduced. 34 Posts . This makes the 7.62×39 a perfect candidate for very short carbines. I second Winchester 748. It matters not a bit to the bullet how efficent the powder burn is, all that matters to the bullet the time/pressure curve. 6 comments. I have reloaded the 243 Winchester for many years and have been a fan of IMR4350. IMR-4198 produced the best results in the 10" Contender of the powders I tried (W-748, AA 2230, H-322 etc.) share. I loaded 4 different loads with CFE223 yesterday. ( experienced loaders ONLY) .55 gr. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. I have an 11" Colt with a 1/7 twist that shoots everything from 52s to 77s. This might seem odd, but my perception is that AR-C's burn rate is slower than 8208, but in the Grendel case, its max charge is slightly less than 8208. Location: Oragun-still clinging to my religion,guns,and sour mash!Livin near the most godless American city. 40 rounds total. 243 is an awsome do it all round. Not NECESSARILY the ones listed on the PLASTIC JARS' LABEL. 10 rounds of each. TAC is on the slower side of the useful range for the .223 Rem/ 5.56X45mm and we suspected that this would explain both the diminished performance of the lighter bullets as well as the better-than-expected velocity of the heavy 77 grainers. RearwardAssist. With a 16" barrel choose powder for the bullet your loading. level 1. best. Top #1688439 - 10/06/10 08:30 PM Re: ideal 223 barrel length [Re: SSG RED] sleddogg Die Hard Member III Registered: 04/18/03 Posts: 2103 Loc: … LOL. (Light bullets gain more.) Norma 204 – Slow-burning for a wide variety of cartridges. Nosler Ballistic Tips in the 10" T/C Contender Handguns. It’s great for heavier bullets and will help keep your firearm in top condition. With the min charge of H4198, it shoots with reduced recoil and flash, and is much more pleasant to shoot as a result. 6 days ago. 50% Upvoted. Peak chamber pressure occurs within the first 3-4 inches of bullet travel no matter the burn rate. I'm thinking a faster burning powder would work best? Hodgdon CFE223 is a state-of-the-art powder with a low burn rate and additives that reduce copper fouling. Share. This bullet is best suited to game weighing 40kg (88lb) and up to 60kg (130lb) as a safe maximum. If all I had to shoot were factory loads, it would not be very pleasant. Sort by. I shoot my minis with these powders. A weapon is less likely to short-stroke with AR-C, and recoil is drawn out into more of a push. That's why I use RL10X. AR-Comp has been the most accurate in the dozen or so barrels (and powders) that I've used. and I also had the best performing loads with 40gr. That would be H335 instead of H355 wouldn't it? So as the barrel … In reality, shorter barrels result in lower velocities for the exiting bullet. Benchmark load density is pretty low (40.0 grains, when a quick survey suggests 308-based cases will hold ~47 grains Benchmark uncompressed) and of all the 21 powders, pressure is highest at 59,500 PSI. 6ppc was another choice, but the DBM thing and the brass thing kinda put the kybosh on it. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by brycewise, Nov 26, 2017. Now if you follow the physics, then barrel length, barrel ID, twist rates, etc. This rifle has a 16" barrel. Using a faster powder will raise the intial pressure faster but it also decreases the pressure faster, leaving less time for the peak pressure to work on making things fly fast. I will be going down the route of Night Vision, so thought a rem 700 with weaver type bases,Quick detatchable mounts to go from day scope to night vision), maybe a HS LTR stock, with a cut down varmint barrel … cfe 223 and blc-2 are a couple hundred feet a sec. ( experienced loaders ONLY) .55 gr. With a shorter barrel, however, faster burning powders do pick up some of the velocity loss, if a slower powder is otherwise used. 8 sets of 5 shot groups. I got an AR pistol just to play with. I use AA2230 and H335 in my longer barrel rifles. Never had any use for AK or AR pistols. That makes a difference, particularly for varminters looking for a … It would depend on the twist rate of your barrel. I ran into this issue loading 7.62mm for my Socom16 vs the standard M1a's 22" barrel... where IMR4895 would be the standard, I had to drop down to the faster IMR3031 to get maximum performance out of the 16" barrel. Short cut extruded, has about the same burn … faster than the IMR powders according to Hodgon. It works good in both AR's and mini's. I recently purchased a Ruger M77 Hawkeye compact for my wife. Sixteen inches is the shortest legal barrel length you can install on your black rifle if it’s not a pistol. a few minutes of barrel cooling in between group shootings, and no bore cleaning in between, as that really contradicts the whole POINT of CFE223, doesn't it?!??! 12-26-12, 22:33. Q. QQQQQ Well-Known Member . Any imput would be greatly appreciated. once again much thanks. Pretty much though same rifle change powders if you achieve the same muzzle velocity then you get the same results. Norma 202 – Best for .308 Win. Hand Loading With 55 grain projectiles the .223 WSSM produces optimum results when loaded with powders in the 4064/ Varget range. of 3 Rivers.. W. Penna. Also, pair your bullet choice to the task at hand, whether it be varmint or big-game hunting, target shooting or long-range shooting. As the powder ignites and heats, the gas inside rapidly expands, propelling the bullet down the barrel. My Savage bolt shoots all my hand loads well. Hornady SBR Ammo. It's made by Alliant. Add 4" for the T/C Contender Super 14 Handguns and the story was totally different in regards to powders. So Benchmark is an outlier, a velocity spike amid the fastest powders. Most AR-15s use a 16” Barrel. One other powder that might work for you is IMR 8208 XBR. 22"barrel 1:9 twist. Why, exactly? A 1/8 or 1/7 twist will handle 77s with ease. The 5.56 was designed for the M16, which features a 20 inch barrel, and the bullet uses all of this length to get up to a velocity of 3,000 feet per second. These four rifles, however, give a pretty good idea of what can be expected from the .223 Remington cartridge in barrels of different lengths. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Location: So. In most states of the U.S, it is illegal to use the .223 WSSM on medium game. Upon examination, the barrel had a few rust pits in it, but the action and the stock looked just fine. 70 grain bullets @ 3175 FPS. Palmettostatearmory. with shorter barrels, particularly with the .223 Remington shooting 50- and 55-grain bullets. Re: Powder for short barrel 243? 223 reloaders Brownells has Hodgdon Powder Company CFE223 Smokeless Powder perfect for reloading 223 ammunition. Different weight bullets, specific powders? If you want a Mil-Spec clone, the 1-in-7 twist is the way to go. Joined Sep 8, 2006 Messages 114 Location idaho. I would contact a friend that has a 22 250 pencil barrel and a 223 and see if she can shoot them . and other medium-capacity cartridges. I agree with Boomtube . IMHO, if you want max velocity, you will need a slower burning powder, but the tradeoff will be muzzle blast and flash. You definitely want to go with something on the faster side. To get the same MV out of a shorter barrel requires higher average pressure for a shorter time which isn't going to happen with a faster powder because all the powders are constrained by the same peak pressure limits. save. … Yeah... we ALL read about it in this month's guns and ammo magazine too! If you have a specific question about reloading, please post it in one of these forum sections -, http://www.223reloads.com/home/223-5...g/wc-846-loads. and large, low-pressure bores like .45-70. In your case Hodgdon CFE 223 actually is a good powder and you can use Hodgdon on-line data to experiment with as previously posted. SSG RED _____ practice does NOT make perfect..only permanent so practice doing it right! My recommendation, would be, XBR8208, H322, or H335, or 3031. The load meets FBI specs for penetration and expansion, even from Short Barrel Rifles. hide. I like Reloader 7 & 10, H335, H4198 for short barrels. To test this, we used the same test platforms but with a faster powder. All of then had the standard 14-inch twist. all come into play in what powders work best for which rifles like the guys posted. All Palmetto Reloading Gear/Accessories! This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. This is a bit of an old wives' reloader's tale that doesn't really happen. It seems logical that we should use a "faster" powder for short barrels but it's not so; what ever works 'best' for a longer barrel also produces the highest speed in shorter ones. Actually in shooting T/C Contender Handguns for many, many years I found the opposite to be true when I got down to 10" .223 Barrels. Aug 19, 2019 #4 North Idaho Hunter said: I built a 22-250 ai. That said, for your goal, I'd run something like LT-32, and run it on the warm side; since warmer pressure loads tend to have more complete (less sooty) burns. it has metered well out of about every powder measure i have tried. The hands-down best powders for a short .308 are IMR4895 (not H4895, they are different actually), Hodgdon Benchmark, and Hodgdon Varget. Another good option is IMR 4895 smokeless powder. Heavier bullets won't stabilize in barrels with slow twist rates. Reply. Norma 200 – Fast-burning powder for smallbore calibers such as .223 Rem. 55gr nosler spbt same load was about 1" if that. There is no magic combination, there is only what safely works best for you. From all the research I've done, Gold Dots in the 62 and 75 grain variety perform good out of a short barrel out to 200 yards. Hornady's SBR Black load features a 75-grain boattail hollowpoint with exposed lead tip, propelled by low-flash spherical powder. aa2230 is about the best metering mid weight bullet ie 50 to 60 grain 223 powder out there. My thoughts upto now have been a 20 calibre, but on mulling things over, if I went for a shorter barrel,as short as 20")would a 223 be a better option,I would be putting a moderator on it, so no problems about increased muzzle report). 55 grain Midway dogtown hollowpoints, and 55 gn FMJBT hornady's. Report Save. As expected, performance with the heavier bullets dropped off to about 1850 fps, but the lighter bullets, with the faster powder … What is the pet load you have found .... with CFE 223? Posted: 8/18/2016 9:22:30 AM EST. Think of it as expansion of gas, not an explosion. extra barrel length actualy slowed it down w/factory loads. pills in .233. The powders used had fairly broad burning rates. Ecxellent brass is cheap, no loading issues with necks and the like, flawless feeding from DBM's, you can keep good velocity in shorter barrels and it has really low spreads-very consistant. In order from fastest to slowest, the powders included Hodgdon H-322, Alliant Reloder 10X and Power Pro Varmint, Hodgdon H-335, Ramshot X-Terminator and TAC, Alliant Reloder 15 and Hodgdon Varget and CFE 223. With a 22LR CMMG conversion installed, it is a real hoot. To … A2230, CFE223, and BL-C (2) are all excellent powders for 55gr projectiles and meter very well. Sent … I'm well aware a 223 round is "less" effective out of a short barrel, but I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to maximize the effectiveness of a 223 round out of a short barrel. As jmr40 pointed out, all the powder is burned in a very few inches of barrel. M4Carbine.net Forums > General ... Once you get to shorter barrels it gets more important, because you are trying to squeeze more speed from a short barrel. level 1. Then we’ll compare the most popular .223 and 5.56 bullet weights and explain what barrel’s likely best for you, based on your choice in ammo. Vigilant Curmudgeon, What is the pet load you have found .... with CFE 223? 1-8 twist. I had the.... pleasure... of shooting in an indoor range next to an AR pistol last weekend. 04-03-2010, 08:36 AM. Of those, good old IMR4895 provides the lowest flash signature and is the most temperature stable, which is really kind of laughable when you realize that the other two are billed as ‘Extreme’ and are supposed to be consistent across a wide range of temps. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. It seems logical that we should use a "faster" powder for short barrels but it's not so; what ever works 'best' for a longer barrel also produces the highest speed in shorter ones. Tod Soeby. That's why when you increased the powder load, you got better results. Fitch. I'm just glad that by the time he had it up and running, I was packing up to leave. Depending on the powder, brass, and barrel length, the Ackley version of the .223 Remington will, typically, deliver from 100 to 140 fps more speed with any given bullet. Here’s Why. Velocity is respectable, but not the best. Discussion Starter • #1 • Jan 28, 2010. the others listed are no problems, either... those two are just my preference. RL 10X is a fast buring powder. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. It is hard to beat 25 grains of H335 under anything from a 52-55 bullet with a 1/9 twist. LOL! Using a faster powder … In a shorter barrel, there is little time for the powder to burn up. report. I had a smith shorten the barrel and it actually cronigraphed faster! Re: Whats your fav powder for 69gr 223 I just worked up a load for mine with 8208XBR.my load is 24gn in a Lapua case useing 450 CCI primers.had no pressure signs at all.but I would work up to this as I did.the Hodgdon web site shows 23.7 as a max load.and that my rifel is a 24 inch barrel 1:9 twist. The other day I got hold of a second hand Remington 700 BDL in 222 Remington. I loaded them over 27 grains, and 27.5 grains respectively. I don't like lots of muzzle blast. I have never been able to shoot the heavier bullets in any of the 22 caliber rifles that I have tried. 1. Sam, a faster burning powder will help because you can actually get a full burn in a 10.5" barrel whereas something like CFE223, Varget will not burn completely, and you are just blowing unburnt powder out the end of the barrel, thus you are not getting the full velocity potential for your setup. This is with 4831sc. Ill always tailor the powder to the rifle and bullet. Bottom line, the faster LT-32 (think 4198 speed), is implied to have a relatively cleaner and more complete burn compared to slower powders like CFE223 as the barrel gets shorter; but it wasn't that profound. Inside the casing, the primer detonation ignites the gun powder. For example, a load that replicates M43 using Accurate #1680 powder will lose only about 70 fps when barrel length is reduced from 16 inches to 14 inches. Peak chamber pressure occurs within the first 3-4 inches of bullet travel no matter the burn rate. If you reload, you can get the best results from short barrel handguns by using the faster burning powders (Titewad, Red Dot, Bullseye, Clays). Sam, a faster burning powder will help because you can actually get a full burn in a 10.5" barrel whereas something like CFE223, Varget will not burn completely, and you are just blowing unburnt powder out the end of the barrel, thus you are not getting the full velocity potential for your setup. pills in .233. Varget and 8208XBR. I just worked up a load using 52gr SP and blc-2 and the point of impact from 25.6 to26.5 was about 1/4" @ 26.2 1 -3 shot group measured .440". This barrel will stabilize bullets of up to 90 grains, and can handle the 70- to 77-grain bullets at just about any velocity, which makes it well suited for carbines or AR Pistols with very short barrels. With coupon code "TAG" and pick 8lbs for $172.99. There was an artical in PS about a million years ago on this very topic. I was a bit perplexed and disap-pointed in the low velocities of the Berger 40-grain bullet with all the powders tried, and with CFE 223 powder shooting Hornady 55-grain V-MAX bullets. You should always follow up a statement like that with the results you're looking for. Reply. As Charlie pointed out, you need a quicker burning powder for a shorter barrel. Yep, especially in a very short barrel. These powders are also a solid choice for hunters going after medium/big game. This forum section is about general reloading questions. 20 inch barrel.
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